Modeling Rigs

[Paddy Long]

Any updates for us Danny ??? would appreciate your insight so far ... and practicalities on the job ??

[Danny Naccarato]

I've used it a few times and I really like it. One thing I dislike is there is no screeen. The tuner is the lighted buttons.... Center button being 440 (default). It does not give you the note. Not a big deal, except if you have to change a broken string. I have a Snark Clip-on for an emergency. I have a couple of rigs in place, but really only use one. It's nice having everything in one place. I'm fine with the 4 effects at a time, since I only use 3. I have a Chorus before the tone stack, then delay and reverb after. Direct to the board via XLR for in-ear. 1/4" out to a power cab.

[Paddy Long]

Thanks Danny, I have a bunch of Peterson tuners so wouldn't use the onboard one in the Kemper anyway ... whats the quality of the effects like ? ... reverb and delay most of the time for me ... and either my Sarno Earth drive, or the Nutra in my Benado :-} .... I think I will go ahead with the Kemper Player.

[Roland Molegraaf]

I’m using the UA Dream 65 and the UA OX stomp with great results. Joe has done the most research on the subject so if he likes the Tonex I’m sure you can’t go wrong.
Nice to have some options that cost less than an amp for a change!

Hi, I also recently got from uafx the dream and the stompbox. Do you have a picture of how you adjusted them? I am very curious. And do you use a frfr speaker when performing. I hope to hear from you. Thanks. Greetings from the Netherlands.

[kevin ryan]

Because of the gigs I play, theaters and those kinds of situations, I need a small volume footprint on those stages for the most part. I switched to modeling amps over 2 years ago and used the boss gt1000 core for that and other things. It worked pretty nicely, not perfect. If I play a loud honky tonk gig, I will pull out my walker rig.
For me, it is not the same and I have tried the quad cortex, helix stuff, toyed with the tonex, haven't tried the kemper models yet, but for me, the notes don't quite sustain as long, it's a very subtle thing, not latency, but kind of a feel thing. Overall though, I still can get an emmonsy tone with them. I am currently using a Fractal FM9, now theres a monster!

[Steve Lipsey]

Here you go, folks, a new all-in-one toy:
https://www.guitarworld.com/reviews/ik- ... -tonex-one

[Charlie Thompson]

Fender Tonemaster Pro.

Fender amps are spot on, easy visual interface, tons of effects, 2 inputs for multi-instrumentalists. So much easier to navigate compared to Kemper.

The Fender FR12 FRFR is also amazing.

The prices have dropped recently.

https://www.fender.com/en-US/tone-master-pro.html

[James P Mitchell]

While it's not my favorite, I've done lots of work playing through an HX Stomp (Helix) using the amp models.
A couple scenarios where I use it: remote recording tracks while on the road, a downtown gig on a small stage where I'm trying to bring as little stuff as possible, and (mostly) for a sync music recording situation where everything needs to be *completely* isolated and we're recording in a home studio.
It's excellent for stuff like that. Very possible to get good steel sounds. Not as good as a good amp, but that's to be expected.

Oh also, I had Greg Leisz play on one of my songs recently. He played through an Iridium, sounded excellent.

[Tim Harr]

A Kemper is not as "modeler" or "simulator".

The Helix and other similar units are considered modelers. They 'simulate' the amps they are modeling.

A Kemper is an actual profile capture of that specific amp. It is not using modeling technology to achieve the sound.

[Cappone dAngelo]

I am currently using a Fractal FM9, now theres a monster!

Hi Kevin - what are your favourite amp models? I use a Fractal FM3 for guitar, eMando, lap steel, and other instruments in various bands I currently play in, but am just starting to try it with PSG (which, practically, is just because I haven't yet started gigging on PSG). This weekend I've been practicing through a BF Twin Reverb model and it's sounding great, but curious to know what others are using for their core PSG tones.

Thanks!

[Brian Spratt]

Relevant to the discussion here, I just posted an in-depth interview with Joe Rogers covering his work with TONEX and other amp profiling technology. Here's the interview:

https://thepedalstop.net/joe-rogers-interview/

[Ron Hogan]

Here’s a clip I have that explains all the functions of the knobs on the ToneX. A big help.

https://youtu.be/wETOD3SEP6c

[Tim Harr]

A Kemper is not a "modeler". It is a "profiler".

That is the first thing that people need to understand about these products. The Kemper technology to capture an actual amplifier cannot be compared to the technology that uses algorhytms to simulate or approximate the qualities of an amplifier.

When you play through a "modeler" using a Fender Deluxe Reverb setting, you are not hearing an actual Fender Deluxe Reverb amp. You are hearing a simulated manipulated sound that is based on the qualities of a Fender Deluxe Reverb amp.

When you play through a Kemper "profiler" with an amp profile setting that was created and captured from a REAL Fender Deluxe Reverb amp...you are hearing that amp, that speaker, and the mic used to capture the profile. Think of it as recording a sample sound of the amp, speaker, mic combination and then - everything you play with that profile is replicated using the sample.


Sampling of grand pianos and using that sample on an electric piano has been done for years. The Kemper technology is taking it ten steps further.

[Ron Hogan]

On Steel I’m using a ToneX pedal amp modler. Milkman amp preset by Joe Rogers crafty mind.


https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Dw8nx ... tid=wwXIfr

[Fred Treece]

Profiling, capturing, modeling - whatever you want to call it, the people at Kemper and Fractal and Tonex who are creating this stuff seem to really know what they’re doing. I’m even happy with the ancient COSM technology in the Boss Katana. If you learn the curve for using the tool, you can’t go wrong.

[Jerry Overstreet]

Profiling, capturing, modeling - whatever you want to call it, the people at Kemper and Fractal and Tonex who are creating this stuff seem to really know what they’re doing. I’m even happy with the ancient COSM technology in the Boss Katana. If you learn the curve for using the tool, you can’t go wrong.

Me too Fred. I have several Boss and Roland units that use COSM technology starting in the 90s and it seems to me, to be the same idea that works great for me.

[Bob Snelgrove]

Hi Brian,

Is there any chance your profile is available on the Tonex community site? Sounds like something I'd love to check out. I understand if it's a personal profile not for wider availability, but thought I'd ask.

Cheers,
Jim

Jim,

I have a few profiles I've created here:

https://www.tone.net/tonex/users/the.pedal.stop

Can you check ta\hat link?

[Wiz Feinberg]

Hi Brian,

Is there any chance your profile is available on the Tonex community site? Sounds like something I'd love to check out. I understand if it's a personal profile not for wider availability, but thought I'd ask.

Cheers,
Jim

Jim,

I have a few profiles I've created here:

https://www.tone.net/tonex/users/the.pedal.stop

Brian;
I am a registered Tonex owner. I went to your profiles on Tonex.net and found your four amplifier profiles. However, although I'm logged in, I can't download your sound files. There is a download icon, but it is inactive. What am I missing? I'm using Firefox on Windows 11.

[Bob Snelgrove]

Big News! Kemper 2.0 released!

https://www.kemper-amps.com/news

bob

[Brian Spratt]

Brian;
I am a registered Tonex owner. I went to your profiles on Tonex.net and found your four amplifier profiles. However, although I'm logged in, I can't download your sound files. There is a download icon, but it is inactive. What am I missing? I'm using Firefox on Windows 11.

Wiz, use the TONEX software to search using the "Tone.net" area of the software. That's where you can download them.

[Bob Snelgrove]

Brian;
I am a registered Tonex owner. I went to your profiles on Tonex.net and found your four amplifier profiles. However, although I'm logged in, I can't download your sound files. There is a download icon, but it is inactive. What am I missing? I'm using Firefox on Windows 11.

Wiz, use the TONEX software to search using the "Tone.net" area of the software. That's where you can download them.

Or purchase Joe Rogers amazing captures of all our favorite amps!

bob

[Charlie Thompson]

Make sure all of your software and firmware are the latest