Help identifying lap steel

Aidan Pickering · Post by **Aidan Pickering** » 21 Jul 2023 11:20 am

Can anyone help me correctly identify this National lap steel? From what I've seen and read I think it's a Chicagoan...except none of the others I've see looks like this one. They either have the ornate fingerboard decorated with the musical notes or the volume and tone pots are in a different location and/or look different. The serial number suggests early 40s - maybe this is how they made them right at the beginning?

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 21 Jul 2023 1:42 pm

According to Gruhn's Guide to Vintage Guitars, the guitar pictured would have been made between 1941 and 1942. It's a National Chicago lap steel (not the later Chicagoan). This is pretty rare - I don't see many of them from this era.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 21 Jul 2023 1:48 pm

Appears to have the same Electromuse pickup as the Electromuse lap steel....any connection there?

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 21 Jul 2023 1:54 pm

Jerry's right - a closer inspection of the pickup assembly shows that it is a replacement for the original National "string through" pickup. You can see the holes where the original pickup would have been attached.

Aidan Pickering · Post by **Aidan Pickering** » 21 Jul 2023 2:50 pm

Interesting. All I can say is that pick up screams! Thanks

Michael Miller · Post by **Michael Miller** » 20 Aug 2023 5:14 am

Isn't that pickup installed backwards?

Noah Miller · Post by **Noah Miller** » 20 Aug 2023 5:39 am

Nope, the bridge and pickup are one unit and the bridge always has to be south of the pickup.

Michael Miller · Post by **Michael Miller** » 20 Aug 2023 5:45 am

One the few I have seen, the writing on the pickup goes the other way:

https://reverb.com/item/65313142-electr ... -hard-case

Noah Miller · Post by **Noah Miller** » 20 Aug 2023 6:12 am

The only difference is the silk-screening. Functionally it doesn't matter which way it faces.

Aidan Pickering · Post by **Aidan Pickering** » 20 Aug 2023 8:26 am

Interesting observation and thanks for the responses. I have to say though I’m a little confused. Does this mean the entire bridge assembly, volume and tone pots and all, are not original? If so it’s odd because everything fits so neatly with the pick guard and there are no obvious signs of a hatchet job. Does anyone have a picture of an original 1940 or 41 Chicago (not Chicagoan) so I can see what it’s supposed to look like? I can’t find one despite searching. When I get a chance I’ll post a short video of how it sounds which is pretty amazing IMO. I just moved and it’s upstairs with a pile of other gear so I won’t get to it for a little while.
Thanks all

Noah Miller · Post by **Noah Miller** » 20 Aug 2023 8:56 am

Does this mean the entire bridge assembly, volume and tone pots and all, are not original?

Correct.

If so it’s odd because everything fits so neatly with the pick guard and there are no obvious signs of a hatchet job.

Looks like they had to take the end binding off the board. The pickguards are a later addition, probably to cover the holes from the original pots.

Does anyone have a picture of an original 1940 or 41 Chicago (not Chicagoan) so I can see what it’s supposed to look like?

Aidan Pickering · Post by **Aidan Pickering** » 20 Aug 2023 11:43 am

Thanks Noah. Very helpful.